MAKE POVERTY HISTORY

[murphj]

Hey guys.
i found some things on the MAKEPOVERTYHISTORY website that you can put on your own site.
here is the link:
http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/getinvolved/banners.shtml
i reckon some people here should put one on their site, this one is probably the best:
top right corner:
<script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/whiteband_small_right.js"> </script><noscript> http://www.makepovertyhistory.org (http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/)</noscript>


top left corner:
<script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/whiteband_small_left.js"> </script><noscript> http://www.makepovertyhistory.org (http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/)</noscript>


i found out that some of the richest countries in the world (eg australia, usa and others that i cant think of right now) give the least amount of money in proportion to their budget (only 0.16 for the usa! about 0.25 for aus), so i think that we should at least put a banner on our site ;) if u dont have room then dont worry u can put a button or whatever if u like.

thanks

ps im putting it on my new site when i get it up ;)

[Jon]

What do you mean "give the least amount of money in proportion to their budget? Like there bugets as being "taxest" in general( as in all taxes). And where would they give thetre money too? Other countrys that have there own taxes?

Sorry to ask, but I am a republican ;)

[murphj]

i mean that they give the least percentage of their entire budget to the poor.
so australia and usa only give about 0.2 % of their entire budget to poor. i think its the UN or someone who just wants them to raise it to 0.5 %. if they did that then world poverty would be halved.

[Ryan]

i dunno about you but most of my taxes goes to welfare already. so im already helpin.

[young]

lol. we actually should do this, to get more ppl involved to end this stuff

[murphj]

yes u might be paying the taxes but the govt still needs to give 0.5 % away to poor people to end poverty, its fuking wrong how little they give

[young]

thats true also. the govt gives hardly anything

[dizzy]

with proportions to budget, usa may look very crappy at .2% (assuming that figure is correct). you also need to realize how big usa's budget is and how much .2% of it is in dollar amount. whether or not usa spends enough on it... still a worthy cause

[murphj]

yeah they do give a lot, but they still need a hell of a lot to fix poverty.
every country should give the same percentage of their budget.
some countries like norway and other countries that dont have as much money in the govt budget, they give about 1.6 % of their entire budget, over 4 times what we give :S
ps i think usa was 0.16 %

[young]

yup, but i dont think the us does spend enough on it, look how much money we have, take micheal jackson for instance, he donates alone 3 million $'s a year just to help ppl. if more ppl with that kind of money would donate, that would really help, also, ppl who dont have that kind of money, we can donte wat we can afford, even if thats a doller a month, itll help

[dizzy]

and yet... we probably still provide more money towards the cause than norway and those countries

[murphj]

yes but they have hardly anywhere near as much money as ur govt, it would be a lot harder for them to give that much. for usa and australia, it is a lot easier and plus, they and like fifty other countries had some agreement a while back that they would increase the amount they paid to like 0.5 or whatever, and there were only three that didnt fulfill their promise, australia, usa and someone else

[young]

lol, glad we was included

[dizzy]

i think we were on the wrong end of that list =P

[young]

oops, i read wrong

[murphj]

yeah....:P the bad end lol

[young]

maybe i shoulda read closer, that would have helped, glad thsi wasnt a life or death issue

[murphj]

lol...ok :P
man this is more like instant messaging than a forum, my email's going nuts with updates...lol
yeah i wish rich countries would get off their rich asses and do something about poverty

[dizzy]

to the millions of people that die from poverty, it is a life or death issue =P

[murphj]

indeed it friggin is...GET OFF YOUR RICH ASSES COUNTRIES! lol

[murphj]

i just remembered a very bad fact:
you know how when the tsunami was on and a hell of a lot of people died :( , that rate of death is the same as what happens in poor places like africa ALL THE TIME! how bad is that! and hardly anyone is helping them! :x

[young]

true, very little ppl, oh yea, and this is mor like instant messages

[dizzy]

lol... i was thinking the same thing. are anyone else's times messed up? it says my last post was made at 5:35am but i posted it at 12:35 or 1:35 am....

[murphj]

yeah cos i think its set in canadian or american time so i dunno if u can change it i htink u can ;)
(get back on topic plz :P)

[Mark]

What do you mean to the rich countries? Why don't you sell your computer and give the money to those in need? Or why not give up the money and food you were going to eat today to those in need.

I bet you won't.

Let's make hypocracy history.

It's not the government, it's the people. The United States financially is a joke - we are 13 trillion dollars in debt, and that is growing by 500 billion every year. Soon to be growing more.

I see plenty of rich people however. Even not so rich people. Did you really need that extra snack you ate today? Those chips you ate? Or maybe the gift you gave your father for Father's Day?

Murphj - who the hell are you to say anything about how much someone donates. Go ahead, tell me how much you've donated to help end poverty.

To be honest, not everyone cares. You could feed a person in Africa for an entire month for just $8.25. So why don't you?

[murphj]

Let's make smartassacy history.
Do you think that the people of the public don't try to help the poor? What about all the volunteers that participate in the 40 Hour Famine for World Vision, the people that help with door knock appeals for Red Cross and Salvation Army?
My parish church is always helping to raise money for the poor in places such as Africa and others.
And maybe, just MAYBE, if the United States did not spend as much as they do on armaments and wars, they would not be in as much debt?
Plus, the Australian Government isn't in debt, but do they keep their promise? No.
I think the power is in more of the government's hands, and I don't think you realise that so many people ARE trying to change that, they just go unheard.

[young]

lol, well when all comes to end, everyone has their own opinion when it comes to this issue, some think differently than others, some think the same...

[Mark]

Let's make smartassacy history.
Do you think that the people of the public don't try to help the poor? What about all the volunteers that participate in the 40 Hour Famine for World Vision, the people that help with door knock appeals for Red Cross and Salvation Army?
My parish church is always helping to raise money for the poor in places such as Africa and others.
And maybe, just MAYBE, if the United States did not spend as much as they do on armaments and wars, they would not be in as much debt?
Plus, the Australian Government isn't in debt, but do they keep their promise? No.
I think the power is in more of the government's hands, and I don't think you realise that so many people ARE trying to change that, they just go unheard.

I wasn't being a smartass until now. I was calling you out before.

Do I think the public tries to help out the poor? How many times have you or anyone else seen a man on the streets and turned your head, judging them because they can't find work or they don't have enough money to eat?

I'm not saying that no one donates or tries to help out, that is stupid. I'm saying more people don't donate than do. Congratulations for your parish.

Way to bring up something completely off topic by the way. Did you know that the United States government happens to have set budgets for how much they can spend on National Security, just as they do with helping the poor?

As a matter of fact, I expect them to cut their expenditures, starting with helpign the poor, if the United States wants to right itself. It's a bit to late to just stop everything in Iraq now. And what good is ending poverty if there is no world to have to end poverty on?

Let me ask you a different question. Do you have any idea of the living conditions in Iraq? No? Poverty isn't limited to Africa. Poverty is across the United States and all across the world. The United States is trying to secure freedom for the people of Iraq and to improve conditions in general. Are you to say that Iraq was better off with Saddam Hussein?

You make yourself look like a fool.

[young]

welll, he does have a fact, the united states does have set budgets that we pay. aswell as another fact that there arent only ppl in africa that are on the verge of death, ppl all acroos the world are dying because of desises, living conditions, and moany more reasons. ---- not to take sides, cuz murph hasgood points too :wink:

[murphj]

I never implied that it is only in Africa.
The main point i started this thread is to create more awareness that we need to persuade the government to pay a bit more to the poor people all over the world, i dont want to start fights ok. and i never made myself look like a fool, people could say that about you too.

[young]

hey murph, when u said too, did u mean too, like aswell, or two, as in us, just askin, i dont wanna argue either, lol, just a fun convo to talk on, n e way, yea you seem like a kol person, and i know that you didnt only mean africa, when i said africa, i was only giving an example, but n the end, yea i see where ur going on this topic, im with you all the way

[murphj]

i meant too, referring to mark

[young]

ok, just askin. lol.

[murphj]

thats ok ;)

[young]

so how long till u need these templates? lol :wink:

[murphj]

huh? whats that got to do with this? :S lol

[Jon]

Our country helps a lot... united nations, red cross, etc.

Besides, most of the 3rd world countrys are ran by dictators, once we give the countrys either money, food, water, medical supplys, etc., then the dictatores take the goods and use it for there own use. 1 example is black hawk down.

Also, the us does have a lot of money in curculation, the percentage dosent work out when comparying to other countys, yes, norway might give 1.5% of there money in there country to 3rd world countrys, but the united states wtill prob give four times that in out .02% that we give. There is also inflation :)

Also, you cant leave out the billions of billions of dollars being spend in the middle east. I consider that money helped being spent for 3rd world countrys. They are liberating them. Even though it dosent sound that way in the media.

Have fun posting links all over your sites 8)

[Jon]

It's not the government, it's the people. The United States financially is a joke - we are 13 trillion dollars in debt, and that is growing by 500 billion every year. Soon to be growing more.

I am on your side on this issue, but you have to remeber that the united states isnt a busness, it dosent make a profit. Our goverment dosent really care. You know about 4 years ago when everyone was getting tax refunds? Do you know what that was from? That was from the united states over charging taxes. The US could have put that into paying off the dept, but they didnt, they gave it back, the gov just dosent really care...

Good points on the other issues though...

[Mark]

Thankfully the U.S. isn't a business. It never would have been started if it were in the first place.

However, countries can go bankrupt, and the U.S. isn't any exception. In my opinion, there would be mass chaos if the U.S. went bankrupt.